Joe: 00:08

Welcome back to another episode of the Freedom Talks podcast, everybody. This is your host, Joe Ogden, and we're joined again by Doctor. Trenton on Brookfield. Trenton, what's up my man?

Trenton: 00:17

Hey Joe, how's it going? Thanks for reaching out to me again.

Joe: 00:20

Trenton's really busy out in Brookfield so getting him on a podcast isn't always the easiest but that's what happens when we plan ahead and get stuff

Trenton: 00:27

on the

Joe: 00:27

schedule. We're gonna we're gonna Jake's gonna talk more about TPI today with golfers because he is a really good golfer himself. I've actually seen it in person. And now he's got some of the PT specialty with TPI and just kind of the the connection between PT and and golf. So let's let's start there, Trenton.

Joe: 00:53

What is TPI? Or just rundown of just kind of what it looks like.

Trenton: 00:58

Absolutely. So TPI stands for the Titleist Performance Institute. So I would say the the simplest way to talk about that is just it's a philosophy of rehab and assessment of the body based on a ton of data, taken from golfers. And it's a systematic approach to finding inefficient movements in the body and how they could potentially be relating to a golf swing, golf performance, or potential injury. So that's, yeah, that's kinda like the broad statement on it.

Joe: 01:41

And Titleist is one of the biggest golf brands for those that don't golf. Now is it designed by PTs, or is it not specifically like a PT realm type thing, if that makes sense?

Trenton: 01:56

That's a really good question. So anyone can be TPI certified.

Joe: 02:01

K.

Trenton: 02:03

They've got a base, like TPI certification. And then from there, you can pursue different levels of further education. So for example, they have their level one certification that everyone has to get, but then they have different routes you can go on. So like you could become a level two provider in their medical world. You could prove, or you could be a level two provider in their power world, you know, so the different tracks give you different, education on, just how you want to be working with your golfers.

Trenton: 02:43

I personally am taking the medical track, because of my background. So does that does that answer your question?

Joe: 02:51

Yeah. What it's just it's medical performance. What are the other ones that you can go into? Level two?

Trenton: 02:59

I forget all of the exact categories. Let me I can look that up and get that to you.

Joe: 03:03

Because I feel like it's something that's well, just like anything. Right? It just keeps expanding, expanding, expanding, expanding, where it used to be just level one and level two. Right?

Trenton: 03:12

Right. Oh, right. Yeah. So now they keep adding these lines and getting further into them. So I believe there's the power, fitness, and medical, but don't quote me on that.

Trenton: 03:22

Who's behind it?

Joe: 03:25

Who like, obviously, Titleist runs it, but, like, who is there? Is it just these data scientists that are looking at all these charts and being like, okay, this is this is what we're seeing?

Trenton: 03:33

Right. No, that's a great question. So if you go on their website, they have like this breakdown of who's contributed to their content and their programs. And it's vast. I mean, they have some of the biggest names in medicine and sports that have all contributed to this, a lot of physicians.

Trenton: 03:51

The people who I would say get a lot of like the credit or who whose names pop up in a lot of the training. The number one is Doctor. Greg Rose. So, he is he's probably like the TPI guy and that is he's a golf instructor and he he was a chiropractor. So they he definitely got into like the TPI and I don't know if he's the founder, but he, all of the education and training and a lot of the videos they send is he's involved in most of it.

Joe: 04:29

And are you level one and level two certified?

Trenton: 04:32

I'm level one. I'm work I'm halfway through level two, which level two medical, and then I'm gonna do level three medical as well.

Joe: 04:40

Okay.

Trenton: 04:41

The other name that's in a lot of these, a lot of the training is Dave Phillips. And Dave Phillips and Greg do a lot of the training videos. So he's one of the co founders of TPI. He's just a golf guy. Right?

Trenton: 04:56

Yeah. So he's one of the the big, I'll say, like, teachers and coaches. But so him and Greg, I would say they run the the majority of the programs.

Joe: 05:08

And is it the certification, is it all online?

Trenton: 05:12

Pre COVID, it was in person. And then during COVID, they made a lot of them online and then post COVID, they can be hybrid. So they offer the online training, and then they offer the on-site classes as well. And then they actually if you do the online whenever you want to, you can go to the in person to review it or redo it.

Joe: 05:32

Okay. Yeah. Now for someone, you know, who is a golfer, it doesn't matter which level. Obviously, you know, the higher level golfers, whether it's college, professional, all that stuff, you know, you're probably more in tune with especially now with all the data, how your body moves and all that stuff. But who would be someone that's, like, a good candidate to, you know, kinda go through some of this, you know, to make sure their body's moving the way they need?

Joe: 05:57

Is it something for everybody, or would you recommend, you know, a certain skill level?

Trenton: 06:02

Right. So I think one one way to look at this is we mentioned earlier, like anyone can be certified in TPI, but I find it's most readily and, readily applied and properly utilized by healthcare professionals who have also become TPI certified. So for me, I use it as a tool in my two belt rather than saying like, I'm a devout, like, you know, like stick to the program religiously.

Joe: 06:33

Yeah,

Trenton: 06:34

it's my personal opinion. So to answer your question of a good candidate for me, it's any patient that comes in and has a desire to do a rotational sport. So, the biomechanics of golf are not too dissimilar from any rotation sport like pitching, volleyball, know, anything that requires or tennis, like unilateral twisting. We're looking at a lot of the same pieces. The way TPI makes it very golf specific is they've done so much data on predictive analysis of common swing flaws, predictors of injury.

Trenton: 07:15

So that's where it's nice where like any patient who has an inefficient movement pattern with rotation, I think it's a great patient. Any patient, which is really common in Brookfield, who is here for any pain and wants to golf better, it's a great patient. You know, even if they are getting into golf or if they're a high level performer, if there's any issues with pain or if they've recovered from an injury and they don't want to come back, or they're just trying to perform better. Those are the kinda like the three categories I market to.

Joe: 07:49

Okay. I think golf is really interesting just within this, you know, as the time of this recording in 2025, I think all sports and so many activities are so data driven. Mhmm. Where golf is really interesting because you take a ton of variables out. That ball is still on the ground.

Joe: 08:07

Yes. You can you can put in slope, you rather uphill, downhill, that type of stuff. But the ball is still on the ground. How efficient can your swing be at that one time to get the shot desired? And then you can get all the all these results on it based on swing speed, loft.

Joe: 08:25

I mean, all that stuff, I just think is fascinating.

Trenton: 08:28

Mhmm.

Joe: 08:29

Right? And it can dictate how you play. Like, there's so many guys that like, Bryson DeChambeau, I think, is and Tiger are super interesting to listen to when they talk about the data in golf that just dictates what they do and how they do it. Mhmm. And to me, that's just mind blowing.

Joe: 08:43

Obviously, Bryson's at a different level. Yeah. Total psycho. Right? But, like, he uses data to dictate everything that he does.

Trenton: 08:53

Yeah. There's a trend in a lot of medicine, but in specifically in sports, is to be more evidence based. And in doing that, we strive for more data to support or reject certain things. And I think sports, there's just so much data available that it's easy to go down that wormhole. And it's good.

Trenton: 09:18

It's helpful. I'll give you an example of how the data has helped me use TPI. So there's an algorithm that we use based on our evaluation to give predictive percentages on injury or swing flaws that can accelerate that process that might take somebody else. Like if you think of a funnel system, like somebody comes into your clinic, it could be anything. And then we want to narrow it down to like the, the, the least few possible diagnoses or problems their, their data absolutely guides and helps funnel that a lot faster.

Trenton: 09:56

So if you see a TPI certified provider for a golf specific injury, you're going to get to problem faster on average, which is really good for the data. Now, again, they're predictions. It takes a skilled clinician to actually treat the individual, right? You can't just look at the app and be like, yep, you have this problem. You have to make sure it fits that And that's where I love the blend of like medical training plus this tool.

Trenton: 10:23

And that's where we're getting really good results.

Joe: 10:25

Now with TPI, just kind of going off that, I guess this is a little tangent, but let's say I'm not a physical therapist. I'm just a big golf guy. I just love golf, and I've got the TPI certification. Yep. And I've I've got level one.

Joe: 10:38

Someone comes in with, you know, whatever problem. Do they talk about like, hey, you you can't treat this person. You just tell them like, hey, these are your flaws. Does it then give you things to work on with them? Or like, what's the line of, okay, I I can't do anymore with you.

Trenton: 10:55

Yeah. I think it becomes it's a little bit gray. You know, they, they make it very clear on their website and their training of like appropriate use, who can use it, who can't. You know, they make it very clear, like, this is not a rule of like, that we can avoid classic medical training and just do this, right? You have to do your due diligence first and then apply this tool.

Joe: 11:16

Okay.

Trenton: 11:17

So I think that's the first piece to keep in mind is there's a medical thing done prior. And then this is used as the tool. At least that's how I implement it. And I think most people should. The other thing to keep in mind is that one of their rules during the swing or swing during the screen is that, anytime there's pain, the test stops.

Trenton: 11:42

So this is where it's unique in that. Like a, let's say a non medical person was using this and pain brought, you know, it elicited pain during one of the tests. They're taught based on this screen to say test is over, go seek medical attention.

Joe: 12:01

Okay.

Trenton: 12:02

If you see a physical therapist, they are the medical attention to seek. So it's all in one spot.

Joe: 12:09

Got it. Okay.

Trenton: 12:09

Right? So if you are purely going off, if I wanna hit the ball further, I have no pain. You can see anybody for TPI, including a PT. Like I treat people for performance only, and we do that like for cash. You know, insurance isn't really gonna pay for just hitting the ball further.

Trenton: 12:28

So, we have a cash pay program. But then the nice part is when I do my screen, we can kind of like tease out where there's pain or restriction and go right into treatment with all of my other skills. And then we can repeat the screen once the pain is resolved to get back to more of a performance approach. That's how I use it to blend with medicine. If you had a non trained clinician, or a non trained professional in a different category who ran into pain, they're pretty much supposed to avoid that from that point.

Joe: 13:02

Yeah. No. I I know we've talked about this a little bit too. I would assume it works the other way too, where, yes, you're doing a screen with TPI, but you're also not a golf swing instructor.

Trenton: 13:14

Correct. Yep. So I draw, I basically for every one of my patients or clients, if they're not here for pain that I, like a contact beforehand, I say, can I get a good medical history? Like, I want to know your injury history, recent surgeries, all that. I want to know your on average, like, what's your handicap and your performance level?

Trenton: 13:38

What are your goals? You know, are you here for whatever reason? And then I always say, you know, basically, like, just so you know, I'm not a swing coach. You know, what I do is I evaluate the bite, the, the mechanics to make you more efficient. I may be able to help you perform better, but I'm not gonna tell you how to hit a draw.

Trenton: 13:56

You know, I'm not here necessarily coaching people of how to play golf. I'm here utilizing my skills and applying it to the golf swing. In, in that general, I think that's great segue to like, I love working with golf pros, even though I think sometimes it's viewed as competition.

Joe: 14:16

Yeah.

Trenton: 14:17

I've worked with many golf pros coaches where I like, or patients who are seeing a swing coach where I'm sending them my data or, like reviewing it with the patient, be like, hey, tell your, tell your pro that like, you know, we're a little concerned about your left hip internal rotation. Does he have any swing changes that could help you? You know, that kind of a thing.

Joe: 14:43

That's where I was just gonna go with it. That's where I think and I understand the competition part of it. I understand that little, you know, nervousness, I think, that comes with that without communicating just right off the bat. You know, maybe that animosity or whatever it may be.

Trenton: 15:01

Mhmm.

Joe: 15:02

But and this can be applied to any sport. You know, this can be applied to overhead athletes, whatever working with whatever positional coach working on mechanics. Well, if your body can't get into that position to change that mechanic, you can do all the swing coach stuff you want. Mhmm. Sometimes it's kinda cool.

Joe: 15:21

Like, in my opinion, for a different sport, I'd be curious what you think from the golf side of things where, like, oh, pitching wise, you're just in a bad arm slot. Well, it's because your body can't do x, y, and z. We fix x, y, and z, all of sudden that mechanic changes. I didn't have to do anything. Then your Yep.

Joe: 15:36

Your lessons go so much better.

Trenton: 15:39

I I couldn't agree more. I mean, I think, I'll I'll use an analogy. So sometimes with treatment, I know my goal is to mobilize a joint segment, but they're guarding with their muscle. Now you can treat the joint and have reduction in muscle spasm. Or you could dry needle the muscle and then be able to access the joint to treat further.

Trenton: 16:05

Now on that same line of thought, if I'm trying to teach somebody how to hit a draw, and their shoulder can't internally rotate. Well, if we improve the internal rotation, it opens this window of opportunity for training. I try my best to communicate that to the patient, but then also to their any other providers, specifically golf pros are working with that I am not trying to do your job. I'm trying to help you make your job easier and more effective.

Joe: 16:36

Exactly. Yeah. Mhmm. That's a great way to put it. Mhmm.

Joe: 16:40

And that's and a a lot of it, I think, comes down. And I think, you know, freedom as a whole, I I really do think we do a really good job of that of just helping other providers and communicating do their job better. Like, I would say to people, I think you would agree with this. Like, I don't care who gets you better.

Trenton: 16:55

I just want you better.

Joe: 16:56

Yeah. Like, me, someone else, whatever. I just gotta get the best information to the right people so that you can get better.

Trenton: 17:02

Yep. Yeah. Absolutely.

Joe: 17:04

Now I know that you have a pretty pretty good golf background. Taking this course and certification, have you applied any of this stuff to your own game? Or, like, oh, I didn't even know that was an issue in my my own self, and it's helped your golf game?

Trenton: 17:19

More than I could ever have imagined. I think every individual is different. I'm obsessive when it comes to, like if I see a a golf drill, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna try that, you know, and then you kind of dive down the rabbit hole. But so personally, I never had golf lessons. I played golf in high school for the golf team, but we never had like, my coach was much more on practice volume and how to, approach the game mentally, like, being a game manager.

Joe: 17:52

Yeah.

Trenton: 17:52

He wasn't nearly as much of, like, hey. Here's how your swing can improve. You know? So I just swing the club the way I've always swung the club naturally. After doing TPI, I videotaped it.

Trenton: 18:05

I did I took myself through a screen. It predicted a bunch of things, and then I videotaped it. I did not know how many things I was doing poorly. And I'm like, oh my gosh. So, an example of what I found for myself.

Trenton: 18:22

I have a left hip injury from high school. And on my, on my video, I was doing something called early extension, which is essentially when, you know, like when a golfer is going into their, like into their downswing, the pelvis, what we would ideally like is for the pelvis to be rotating and creating rotational torque. And I was throwing my hips towards the ball. So it was like extending my hips too quickly. So my arms had to do all the work and my hips weren't rotating.

Trenton: 19:02

I don't know how I ever hit the ball straight, but I was, but it was just like I had learned to compensate. And then when I tried to fix it, I realized it was my hip. The reason I was doing that swing fault was my hip was stiff and hurting. So I walked that back, started treating my hip, did the drills that I would give my patients. And now when I redo my swing, it's interesting.

Trenton: 19:26

I'm capable of not early extending, but I still have to do drills to work on the actual cycle motor, you know, because I had learned so many different strategies. But yeah, that's the big thing I've worked on the last two years.

Joe: 19:39

That's what I think is crazy about golf, and I I always say this to people. I know you've seen a couple of our, you know, golfer people here in Fox Point that are just, you know, really good golf guys and really good brains to talk with about the game. You know, playing college baseball, I can hit a ball that's moving at me. And I for the most part, I can tell you where it's probably gonna go. You put a ball still on the ground.

Joe: 20:05

It's hard to hit it. Like, the it's it's it's not moving. It's there. It's just sitting there. Just hit it.

Joe: 20:11

That's it. And then go do it again. Go do it again. Boom. You have bird of your part.

Joe: 20:17

It's easy game. Right? Yeah. But it is so hard to consistently put a good swing together all the time, which is also the fun and frustrating part about the game. Right?

Trenton: 20:27

So I think the keyword you said there was consistently. It's not hard to hit the ball once. It's hard to do it every time the same. So one thing that I realized going back to your other question, like, what have I learned from this and taken to my own game? I was a good golfer because I hit good golf shots sometimes.

Trenton: 20:51

And then I'd scramble my way to, like, correct it when I didn't.

Joe: 20:54

Yeah.

Trenton: 20:55

Biggest thing I'm noticing in my game after doing this TPI things for myself, and it's the biggest thing I hear my patients tell me. First thing they tell me is very often, like, I'm hitting the ball further without swinging harder. I'm like, I think that's a big one that we hear a lot, which is awesome. But the more rewarding thing for me that I hear people say is I'm hitting the ball so much more consistent. My game is way more predictable.

Trenton: 21:21

I think that is the key to if performance, but then longevity in the sport. So the the premise of TPI, if I was to kind of like put in maybe like a TPI, maybe Greg Rose would say like, no, you're missing some pieces here. But essentially, the idea is they determine efficiency as being basically reproducible. So, it's can it be powerful and reproducible? So, a lot of the things that people do are they might be effective for them.

Trenton: 21:58

But it doesn't mean that it's the most efficient way to get it done and the most reproducible way to get done. So their variability in their swing is so high. So even in those people who are scoring well, playing well, you can benefit from TPI for becoming more efficient and more consistent. And I think that's just a big thing I've seen in my game is I'm hitting the ball more often and more consistently where it's supposed to go, even if it's not as far as every time or, you know, but.

Joe: 22:27

Not as the TPI model, you know, because it's got golf pros, it's got, you know, movement specialists, whether it's chiropractic or, you know, PT. Does it does it kind of go through that everybody's different and that swing's going to look different as well based on what you can and can't do? Or does it kind of lean you down the path of, Hey, this is the most efficient swing. We have to get you as close to this as possible. If that makes sense.

Trenton: 22:51

Yep. Really good question. So back in, I forget the exact, years. But so they, the old model used to be, we want to do, they call it like, style training. So they wanted to make you swing like Rory McElroy, right?

Trenton: 23:14

Or they want you to swing like Tiger. But the challenge is not all of us are six foot two jacked in perfect shape and do this every day. So that's kind of how TPI like came up with their strategy is they took all these good golfers. Like, let's say you're comparing Jim Furek, who has kind of a goofy swing to Tiger, who has maybe, like, you know, used to have, like, a perfect swing. They're like, well, what's consistently, like, happening between the two that they're both winning tournaments because their swing style is different.

Joe: 23:50

Right.

Trenton: 23:51

So that's how they they basically changed their mantra from style training to efficiency training. So now what they look for This is the early extension swing. This is what that they look for is, like, how do we make this person swing their swing the best, you know, if it's your body or if it's your limitations. So if my screening came out and said like, Hey, this person has limited hip internal rotation, but they let's just say had a hip replacement. And they're just like at what they're going to get.

Trenton: 24:29

We're not going to make them swing, you know, like, like Rory, you know, because they just have a physical impairment. So their personal individual most efficient swing is gonna look a lot different. And we make it efficient for them. Does that make sense?

Joe: 24:43

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. What would be something, you know, relating that to, you know, people who are listening or golfers? Like, what are what are some of the biggest limitations that you would say if you can, a, give me one or two things that you're like, this is what I think ninety percent of golfers have issues with that you could work on and take from this right now?

Trenton: 25:03

Yeah. So I'll just say big picture. Golfers could so golf is a sport. Golfers are athletes. They never warm up.

Trenton: 25:15

So, like, for I mean and I when I say never warm up Hey.

Joe: 25:19

I go to the putting green. I get a couple of putts and a couple of chips Exactly.

Trenton: 25:22

On a TV beverage. Right? You know, like, before so, like, we we don't treat it like we treat other sports. Like, if I'm playing basketball, I run up and down the court, I get the blood flow and I shoot like I have a routine. I make sure like I'm not going to pull something.

Trenton: 25:39

There is just this completely skewed mentality with golf where it's like, I can open my tea time or like, I'll put a little bit. So I would say number one thing to take away is find a five minute warm up that just, like, works on your trunk rotation, hip rotation so that your first swing isn't on, you know, the first tee box. And to be honest with you, the warm up shouldn't actually be just swinging the golf club. You know, we gotta treat treat it like a sport where you're using your legs, warming those up, using your hips, warming those up, and then maybe pick the club up. So that's number one.

Trenton: 26:20

Number two, I think a lot of people, have the swing, that swing, fault I told you about, like early extension, where their hips kind of go like towards the ball rather than twisting like, in like a vertical column. So I would say just that would be something to explore videotaping your own swing. You know, for everybody, I think they could benefit from, you know, videotaping the swing and seeing like, do I do that? It's probably the most common thing I see people do that leads to inefficient patterns, but also back pain. The number one report I see from my golfers who are in pain is back pain.

Trenton: 26:59

And a lot of times it's because with early extension, you're essentially trying to make the spine produce power and lean back at the same time.

Joe: 27:09

So

Trenton: 27:11

that compression and overuse of the spine can lead to pain. Whereas if it was rotating, it has the ability to produce and then absorb the forest better.

Joe: 27:20

K. Yeah. Makes perfect sense.

Trenton: 27:23

Yeah.

Joe: 27:23

I think what's, you know, playing golf more and obviously you have a little more, you know, background than I do. I've only been playing for five years now pretty consistently. But looking at these professional guys, Bryson, I think, is insane at how fast he can swing over and over and over again. And then you look at Tiger from, the PT side of things. That guy won a major on a torn ACL.

Trenton: 27:47

Mhmm.

Joe: 27:47

And then a really messed up back. Like, these professional guys are just whole new level of efficiency and just being perfect at what they do.

Trenton: 27:59

Yeah. I mean, I it is it's a whole new ballgame the last, for sure, five years, probably back, you know, ten or fifteen now of how much volume these guys can do, you know, and and how many tournaments they play, but and how much time they put into the sport. But that's why, that's why, like, this TPI model is so attractive to people now is because if you're doing a swing flaw a few times, it might not hurt you. You know, you're probably not playing your best golf, but it probably not going to like stop your career.

Joe: 28:38

Right.

Trenton: 28:39

If you're doing that poor pattern over and over and over again, eventually something is going to catch up to you or down. So a lot of these golfers are thinking like I can make, let's just say the pros, I want to win. How can I play better? But like, how can I play longer? So now you're seeing people like Phil Mickelson in his later end of the career.

Trenton: 29:00

He won a major. Tiger, he's all dinged up. It's like, how does he compete with somebody twenty years his younger, who's hitting the ball further? A lot of times it's being more efficient and just extending these careers to be more, you know Yeah. You know, more productive.

Joe: 29:17

What would you say, you know, as we, you know, wrap it up here because we both gotta go see patients. But golf tip. What would you if if someone's getting into golf or someone, you know, is working on just kinda swing efficiency and not even from the PT side of things, what would you say is, like, one tip for, you know, just to improve your golf game or just to take a couple shots off your round that you would give to anybody or something that you're even still working on yourself?

Trenton: 29:42

Yeah. I mean, so my again, I'm not a golf pro. Right? So this is non TPI, nonphysical therapy. My just, like, golf tip is learn how to putt.

Trenton: 29:54

I mean, we spend so much time trying to hit the driver 300 yards. And the reality is, if you can get there in two, it doesn't matter if you're three putting everything, you know, so like, you know, it's it's fun and exciting and kinda like sexy to hit the ball far, which and it's good. It can improve your scores. But short game practice, like, when's the last time? I mean, not many people come in and tell me like, oh, I spent two hours chipping yesterday at the at the driving range.

Trenton: 30:23

They're like, no. I hit a bucket of balls. And it's like, I would say just, like, short game can cut so many strokes.

Joe: 30:31

Our our our golf client that you and I both are aware of. I every time I go to the range or anytime I hit anything, I can just hear him in my head saying, go to the go to the chipping green.

Trenton: 30:44

Go to the on

Joe: 30:46

your short game. Work on your short game. Work on your short game.

Trenton: 30:49

Mhmm.

Joe: 30:49

It's amazing, though. Like, it sounds so stupid. I've told this to him. You take one or you get up and down in one and you turn a three putt into a two putt or one putt, whatever. That drastically will change your score, and you haven't changed your golf swing to get to the green.

Trenton: 31:04

The the quickest fix I'm not saying it's easy, but the quickest fix to high scores is gonna come in the short game and around the green. The fun stuff, the stuff that takes a lot of practice is your swing and being more efficient and reproducible. It's a lot easier to reproduce a golf putt than it is a full pendulum driver swing. So, like, if you if you're looking for quicker gains and to kind of build your game from a strong foundation, I would start with short game and work out rather than, like, I wanna hit it far and increase my swing speed and work in. Yeah.

Joe: 31:39

And Trenton, for those that are listening and those that'll see this, Trenton's kinda sandbagging himself a little bit, and I just remembered this, so I really have to bring it up. You know, he says he's not a golf pro. He's you know, I'm just a PT teaching you about golf. Trenton and his group are the reigning champions of the Morningstar was that Mogadago chamber outing? It's Trenton.

Joe: 32:00

We gotta we gotta defend that title this year. So Trenton's gonna have to play some good golf.

Trenton: 32:05

I I can play some good golf. I'm becoming more consistent at it now.

Joe: 32:10

Yeah. Well, you guys won't win it without that chip in for Eagle from our manager on Mogwana go west.

Trenton: 32:15

From west. That was that was that was it. That was the sealer.

Joe: 32:19

I will say, when we were a group just behind them, that was probably one of the awesome moments of golf that I've been a part of just seeing his excitement.

Trenton: 32:28

Peak celebration of all time. I've never seen a better one.

Joe: 32:33

We gotta get prepared for that. We gotta make sure there we got some foursomes. Do you still have that free foursome there too, or do you use it?

Trenton: 32:40

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We gotta we gotta put the team together.

Joe: 32:43

You gotta send this to doctor Stone and say, hey. Still all around the golf with us.

Trenton: 32:47

Yep. You gotta come on out.

Joe: 32:48

Yeah. Trenton, thanks for kinda talking about TPI with us and kinda giving, you know, a little rundown on it. For those that know where Trenton is or haven't seen Trenton Trenton's out in Brookfield and is doing TPI, I believe he's the only one at Freedom right now that's doing TPI. So if any golfers that are listening or or aware of Freedom, go out and see Trenton out in Brookfield. It can be run through insurance but a lot of it's being is just a cash pay rate.

Joe: 33:17

It's very black and white. You know, what you're getting and and what what the cost is there. If there's any questions, just reach out to Trenton. So it's Trenton.

Trenton: 33:26

Yeah. Thanks, Joe. I really appreciate you having me on here and allowing me to talk about it. I guess the last thing I would just say, it's very similar to what you were just saying is, I'm out in Brookfield. I love working with golfers.

Trenton: 33:38

So if you or or your spouse or your friends or family like to golf or having any trouble, please feel free to email me. My email is on the website. I love just answering questions and working with golfers, especially if you have family members like kids in high school golf who are on their off season and trying to prepare to make the team or get better. And then, just, yeah, if there's ever any pain or injury involved, we can absolutely be talking about how physical therapy can help. If it's just performance, we can talk about the cash rates.

Trenton: 34:10

And, yeah, I'm always happy to work with people.

Joe: 34:12

Love it. Love it. Thanks, buddy. Always good to see you.

Trenton: 34:15

You too, Joe. Thank you.

Joe: 34:17

See you, buddy. We'll talk soon.

Trenton: 34:18

Alright. Bye bye.

Joe: 34:19

Yeah.