Joe: 00:27

Welcome back to another episode of the Freedom Talks podcast, everybody. This is your host, Joe Ogden. And we are sitting down with one of our new hires here at Freedom Physical Therapy, he's gonna be joining us here in Fox Point. And he's also a fellow graduate of Carroll University. I know Scott, our manager here says the best and brightest go to Madison, but I'm a little partial to Carroll because that's where I went.

Joe: 00:51

But so we've got doctor Jimmy with us here. Jimmy, welcome. Welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me. Also, welcome to Freedom.

Joe: 00:57

Yeah. Thank you. As we're filming this, this the end of Jimmy's first full week. Right?

Jimmy: 01:04

Yeah. Almost. Tomorrow's my last day.

Joe: 01:06

Tomorrow's your last day? Jimmy graduated from Carroll's DPT program in May. Right, Jim? Yep. And he just started with us here as of June.

Joe: 01:19

What was your what was the Monday? What's the start date there?

Jimmy: 01:21

Sixteenth.

Joe: 01:22

Sixteenth. So, obviously, he passed his board exam. Do have your license already too? Yeah. Did that go through pretty quick?

Jimmy: 01:28

It was way quicker than I thought. They were saying that it was gonna be, like

Joe: 01:31

Like months and months and months.

Jimmy: 01:33

June 16 just to be safe, but I think if I had mine, like, June 1 or something. So

Joe: 01:39

And you took the April, May board exam?

Jimmy: 01:42

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe: 01:43

Wow. That's crazy. When I graduated 2021, it took me six months to get my license. That's crazy. Between all the paperwork and just how long it actually took.

Joe: 01:53

So that's nuts they got it that fast.

Jimmy: 01:55

Yeah. Yeah. I I I was ready to just sit on it and wait, but they were really quick.

Joe: 01:59

Boom. Boom. Boom. Yeah. Jimmy, give us a little background here, you know, just kinda where you're from.

Joe: 02:04

Obviously, I just touched on where you went school, but we'll talk about your college experience in a second. Yeah. Let's start there. Just give us a little background where you're from.

Jimmy: 02:12

Yeah. Grew up mostly in the La Crosse area. So I grew up in Holman, is about twenty minutes north of La Crosse. I went to high school at Holman, and then graduated from there. I went to Carroll for my undergrad and doctorate.

Jimmy: 02:28

So I played basketball at Carroll for my first two years when I was there.

Joe: 02:32

Oh, you did?

Jimmy: 02:33

Yeah. I did.

Joe: 02:34

Is coach Colm still there?

Jimmy: 02:35

No. I he's he left it would have been my junior or senior year, I'm pretty sure. But now it's Jansen is there right now.

Joe: 02:44

He's the assistant. Right?

Jimmy: 02:46

No. No. That was was Jones at the time. So Jones was the assistant when I was there, and

Joe: 02:53

then

Jimmy: 02:54

Jansen came came in and took over when Combs was gone. But yeah.

Joe: 02:59

Do you like him?

Jimmy: 03:00

Yeah. He was a good coach. I mean, really intense, but great guy, you know, on and off the court. And, I mean, I think he helped me a lot with my game and

Joe: 03:08

Do you guys still have the private locker room in the basement at VanMail?

Jimmy: 03:12

Yeah. I think they do.

Joe: 03:13

Or the private lounge, I should say.

Jimmy: 03:14

It's it's pretty cool. I think they're, like, the only sport that has something like that. I think football has something similar now.

Joe: 03:20

In the, in their locker room across the street?

Jimmy: 03:23

Yeah. They have a bunch of couch and stuff in there. It's pretty cool.

Joe: 03:26

So talk a little bit about just kinda, you know, obviously, you're a physical therapist. Mhmm. Right? Otherwise, you wouldn't be hired here. But kinda talk about just because Carol's direct admit program, we've talked about it a couple couple times on the podcast here.

Joe: 03:37

But just kinda talk about like your college experience, what it looked like as far as, you know, what you majored in and then getting in a PT school and just kinda the route to getting to freedom.

Jimmy: 03:44

Yeah. So I majored in exercise science like a lot of people. Don't know if you did as well.

Joe: 03:50

I did not. I was health care admin.

Jimmy: 03:51

Oh, okay. Cool.

Joe: 03:53

So I'll talk about that in a second.

Jimmy: 03:54

Yeah. You're good. But, yeah, exercise science. So I did that for three years. Obviously played basketball.

Jimmy: 04:03

Getting into the doctorate program was pretty easy with the direct admit, which was nice. I think a lot of people get weeded out pretty quickly, in the first couple months of PT school actually, in that aspect. But, yeah, so getting into the program was was pretty smooth and then just the last three years of of school has been, you know, just a grind.

Joe: 04:26

But And I'll touch on it again too for those that don't know or forgot. We have talked about this in the past, but just to refresh some memory here. Carol has a direct admission program for the PT program, which just means that as an incoming freshman, you're already accepted into the PT program in graduate school, you just have to maintain a GPA, you have to do some shadowing hours just to make sure that you wanna still be a PT, you do have to apply and take the GRE, but it's a good safety net I would say for students that want to be a physical therapist where you know as an incoming freshman you don't have to worry about you know applying and finding a place to go. You just have to make sure that, you know, you hit the ground running. I think there's a lot of students that don't really understand what that really means, so they kind of slack off their freshman year.

Jimmy: 05:13

Yeah. I mean, it's not I wouldn't say slack off, but some people just realize it's not it's not for everybody. You know? Or even making it to PT school. You know?

Jimmy: 05:21

You might be more into, like, the maybe, like, I had one of my friends, stop PT school, and now he's a strength coach. He did the, like, the masters of strength.

Joe: 05:30

Oh, he transferred over to the Yeah.

Jimmy: 05:32

It was I think it was class.

Joe: 05:35

He's not there anymore, though. Right?

Jimmy: 05:37

No. He's at Pennsylvania, I wanna say.

Joe: 05:40

I think he's at I wanna say he's at Pitt.

Jimmy: 05:43

Pitt. That's what it is. Yeah.

Joe: 05:44

Because I I don't know why he just came up. I saw him the other day. He was like a up and I'll say up and coming. Yeah. Doctor.

Joe: 05:52

Sukumel, you're probably not gonna listen to this podcast. So if that offends I'm sorry. But he was just like when I was at Carroll and I'm I graduated in '21, so I'm five years older than you? Four years?

Jimmy: 06:05

Yeah. Something like that.

Joe: 06:07

When I was an undergrad, this would be like 2016, 2017, I I just felt like he was just like this young up and coming, like, just genius when it came to exercise science and was trying to just do everything he could to get his foot in the door. And now I think he's established himself just by what I see, which I think is really cool because I think he can he's a very intense personality, but he knows what he's talking about, which is cool.

Jimmy: 06:27

Yeah. He does a lot with, like, the, like, eccentric loading studies and stuff like that. It's pretty cool, though.

Joe: 06:32

He's very published published author. Yeah. But yeah, I I was a exercise science for a semester and she's not at Carol anymore because she left after I was there. She made exercise science 100 the hardest class on earth. I will never forget And I'm it made me change my major because I was I told myself I'm not dealing with this.

Joe: 06:55

This is ridiculous. And she starts the first class and telling us how she's the greatest professor ever, ran some hospitals and, you know, all this stuff, which what I I could I could care less. And the first question on the first like piece of homework was what is exercise science? And if you didn't rewrite the question like exercise science is this and instead just answer the question she marked it all wrong and you got zero credit. She's one of those hard people.

Joe: 07:24

And then we had to do a VO2 max test on a treadmill. And I had mono. I didn't know I had it. Oh, jeez. I still had to show up and do the test.

Joe: 07:35

And I couldn't finish it. And she told me we're gonna sit on this treadmill until you can get your heart rate under control and then to finish it. And I was like, okay. That's weird. And and then she gave me a zero for the thing because I couldn't finish it because I had mono and was not willing to work with me.

Joe: 07:50

So I would love to see her again. Yeah. So yeah, I changed to health care admin. More business side of stuff and understanding just, you know, what Medicare, Medicaid and all that stuff is, which I mean, I think there's value to both sides. Right?

Joe: 08:04

Yeah. Made you decide to go and be a physical therapist?

Jimmy: 08:10

I I guess I don't have, like, the typical, like, story of, you know, how, you know, I got hurt and did physical therapy. I've never had any major injuries, but I was always into sports. Played basketball, soccer, track, golf in high school. And so I was into athletics in that aspect. And I took an anatomy class my junior year of high school, and I thought it was really cool how the body all worked together and stuff like that.

Jimmy: 08:36

And physical therapy is, like, the ultimate profession of being if you think that stuff is cool, like how the body works. And it just kinda solidified as I got farther along into into college and then into college and then into the doctorate program, it kinda just all was like, yeah, this is really cool and I I wanna do this. But yeah. There's a lot

Joe: 08:58

of moving parts. Think and I think at at Carroll, especially in the orthopedic realm and I'm not downplaying any other components of education at Carroll, I really think that they do a great job. Also setting their students up for understanding that you are an expert at movement, there is a a standard that you need to meet with that. Mhmm. It's not, you know, it's not just like, oh, you know, you're just gonna give some stretches to people or what's the exercise for this?

Joe: 09:27

Like, no. Like, you need to understand how everything's going.

Jimmy: 09:30

Mhmm.

Joe: 09:30

And you'd be surprised. In the in the real world, know, I feel like at Carol, they really pound, especially in orthopedics, you need to look at the joint above and below. Yeah. Where it's kind like, yeah, that makes sense. Like, why would you not do anything else?

Jimmy: 09:43

Yeah,

Joe: 09:43

exactly. Surprised if someone comes in, seen someone else, great therapist, but only looked at the joint that they were having pain with. So that's where the moving part I think is pretty cool.

Jimmy: 09:53

Yeah.

Joe: 09:54

And now that you're actually hired at Freedom, I guess I can pick your brain on this a little more. Tell us a little bit just about how you found out about Freedom.

Jimmy: 10:01

Yeah. Well, for anyone listening, Joe was at a career fair thing at at Carroll, and I had a conversation with him. And, I mean, you kinda point me in the direction of Freedom. One on one treatments, that was a big thing for me.

Joe: 10:17

That's what was gonna pick your brain was.

Jimmy: 10:18

You're going right Yeah.

Joe: 10:19

Where I wanna take this a little bit.

Jimmy: 10:20

Like, as a new grad, especially, I think that's really good to have just so I can work on the quality of treatment rather than, you know, I got three people at one time and trying to get notes done and things like that. And then you're you're putting the the patient care on the back burner kind of thing, you know. So that was a big thing. And then I just like the idea of private practice too. You get to do know, other things besides just patient care, like marketing, like podcasts, like this is cool too, things like that.

Jimmy: 10:48

And then meeting, Mike through Carol as well. He just did a TMJ class

Joe: 10:53

with

Jimmy: 10:53

us.

Joe: 10:54

Was that before or after I was there?

Jimmy: 10:55

That was after. That was after. That was after. But he came in and and taught. You know, that's I thought, like, that's a guy that that you wanna work for, you know, someone that knows his stuff.

Jimmy: 11:07

And then, you know, coming here, meeting everyone, meeting Scott, the rest of the team was pretty cool as well.

Joe: 11:12

I think well, it was super now when I was at Carroll, we did not have that, and I think part of it was COVID. Yeah. And two, wanna say it was optional, like, a Saturday. Yeah. Probably.

Joe: 11:23

But I could be wrong at that Saturday part, but I, for sure, did not go. What was interesting about that and did you go around to the different tables?

Jimmy: 11:32

Yeah. I did.

Joe: 11:32

Did you because you were at you were at my table to start. Right.

Jimmy: 11:35

Yeah.

Joe: 11:36

Was. And then yeah. What was interesting, I thought, if if you wanted to say, I wanna do outpatient private practice or not private practice. Let's just say outpatient.

Jimmy: 11:48

Mhmm.

Joe: 11:50

All the companies that were there, you see multiple people an hour. Right. What I thought was interesting after talking to you specifically, but as well as other people, I think what's interesting is those places and there's great therapists at those places, they just have a different model. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I personally just don't like treating in that type of model.

Joe: 12:10

Yeah. But the companies I think are fine. So if somebody's listening and thinking that we're about to talk bad about different companies, that's absolutely not what this is. But they almost drown the market out by making you feel as a student that this is your only option. Yeah.

Joe: 12:25

Did you feel that at all? Or is that me just getting deeper into it?

Jimmy: 12:28

I don't know. I I guess I didn't I kinda always knew I wanted to look for a place that was like this. Yeah. But I could definitely see that. Yeah.

Jimmy: 12:39

I mean, I it seemed to me too that, like, you had the most people by far coming up to you. Yeah. Like, I think you had a crowd around you, like, the entire day.

Joe: 12:46

Yeah. I mean, it was pretty it was fun. I mean Yeah. You know? And I think there was a lot of home health there Yeah.

Joe: 12:52

If I remember right. Was there a nursing home there too?

Jimmy: 12:54

I think so. I think there was at

Joe: 12:55

least I mean, not nothing in acute care. Mean, I think after being there and the tricky part always is like for a company like us, like we can't just keep growing without the need for therapists, which we do continue to have demand with patients. Being able to really tell people like it is possible to treat one on one. Yeah. That is 100% a possibility.

Joe: 13:21

I don't care what reimbursement looks like. I don't care what other places are doing. You can do one on one. You also can treat the way you want. A lot of you know, when you're seeing three people an hour, it's really hard to get hands on stuff.

Joe: 13:34

I don't care. Again, you can try and debate that with me, but that it's it's a fact.

Jimmy: 13:38

Oh,

Joe: 13:38

yeah. You have fifteen minutes versus forty five minutes. You you can't do as much hands on work as you want. And you do have more autonomy at at, you know, a private practice like this, which I'm not sure if you've noticed so far in your first week, but like Oh, yeah. Nobody hounds you on on on what you're doing.

Joe: 13:54

Like, you you're now graduated. You have your board exam licensing. Do your job.

Jimmy: 13:59

Yeah.

Joe: 14:00

And figure out what you need to do to do that well. Mhmm. Which I I think is fun. Do you know do you remember any of the buddies that that was sitting at our table? Do you remember off the top of your head?

Joe: 14:11

I

Jimmy: 14:12

I honestly don't. That's fine. I don't remember.

Joe: 14:15

Because, I mean, I felt like there are a lot of people that, you know, were like, yeah. You know, I kinda wanna do this private practice thing. I kinda don't. Yeah. And then, I mean, you took ownership right away.

Joe: 14:24

Right? You reached out to care our freedom right away.

Jimmy: 14:26

Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Pretty pretty quick. I think I I was hired in February, I wanna say.

Jimmy: 14:32

So Yeah. I would say.

Joe: 14:33

Let's talk about that a little bit because I think that is something you and I are very similar in that aspect because you from what I've heard, you took more ownership in your interview than the other way around in a sense of going to an interview and hoping that they're gonna hire you.

Jimmy: 14:52

Oh, yeah.

Joe: 14:52

You took more ownership of this is what I wanna do. Yeah. If you guys offer me a job, I'm coming. Yeah. Isn't that isn't that kinda how

Jimmy: 14:58

it what I said. I mean, because

Joe: 15:01

And that's not arrogant or anything, but just

Jimmy: 15:03

I I knew where I wanted to work. You know? This is this is the the model that I want was interested in. Mean, I thought it was a good interview. I I thought it was more of a more of a conversation than anything.

Jimmy: 15:17

Because you

Joe: 15:17

had Mike and Scott in there. Right? Yeah.

Jimmy: 15:19

Did. Which I I mean, you think that'd be intimidating, like, having the owner and the manager, but I I thought it was great. Yeah. I had a good time.

Joe: 15:25

I had Mike and Scott in mind too, Mike was forty minutes late to my interview. Oh, man. So I did not think it was good. But but I think that's something that, you know, other people looking for jobs even it it doesn't matter if you're new grad or not. Like, what are some things like going into the job interview that you think helped set you up for success?

Jimmy: 15:41

I just having an understanding of, like, what what my values are and, like, explaining that, you know, this is maybe how I wanna treat. I I had an idea of what, you know, that's one of their questions is how how do you how are you gonna treat? And I told them that and just being confident in yourself as a person. Like, if it's not gonna work, it's not gonna work, but you can't change who you are for the company that you're gonna work for. You know?

Jimmy: 16:05

Bingo. So yeah. Bingo. Yeah.

Joe: 16:07

And I think a job interview is just as much for the company Oh, yeah. As it is for you Yeah. In a sense of, yeah, you want a job. Mhmm. Right?

Joe: 16:16

And I learned this the hard way. And I now I I say this to a lot of people. You know, when I graduated, the job market was not good. So I had to just take what was available. Right.

Joe: 16:24

And I knew going in that this is probably not good, you you can get paid and maybe be quiet. Right?

Jimmy: 16:30

Yeah.

Joe: 16:30

But the job interview is just as much for you to interview the company. Is this a position that would work well for you? Or you'd and I give you a lot of credit for this. You walked from what I've heard, you walked into that interview and they asked if you were gonna look at other places, right? Yeah.

Joe: 16:43

And you said no. Yeah. This is the place I wanna be. Yeah. And then it happened like that.

Joe: 16:49

Right?

Jimmy: 16:49

I think it was like Scott told me, like, yeah. We'll reach out to you in, like, five to seven days probably or something, and it was, like, 8AM the next morning. I get an email. I'm like, oh, alright.

Joe: 16:58

I mean, were you probably one of the first kids to have a job?

Jimmy: 17:03

One of my roommates, he got a job in December, actually. Like, I don't he got Really?

Joe: 17:08

Yeah. Holy, man.

Jimmy: 17:09

Doing what? It was an outpatient Aurora in, like, Kenosha or something. But he got he got a job before before we even had Christmas, I'm pretty sure.

Joe: 17:18

Aurora sometimes in my experience is you get if you're in the right place at the right time Yeah. They'll not let you go. Yeah. And it's hard to get in there a little bit. Yeah.

Joe: 17:24

Not that I plan on going there. But Yeah.

Jimmy: 17:26

But I I mean, I still don't know some of my classmates that that don't have jobs yet. I mean, some of them still have to take the board exam and all that.

Joe: 17:33

But I guess the July one's probably coming up.

Jimmy: 17:35

Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Did you look at your score? Or did

Joe: 17:39

you just see that you passed?

Jimmy: 17:40

No. I looked at my score after too, but yeah.

Joe: 17:42

It was How'd you do?

Jimmy: 17:43

It was way better than I thought it was.

Joe: 17:45

What is it? Was like, you gotta get 600 to pass. Right? 600 to pass. And you have the new exam now though.

Joe: 17:50

Right? Didn't they change it?

Jimmy: 17:51

I think so.

Joe: 17:52

Yeah. Like, there's videos and stuff on it now too. Right?

Jimmy: 17:54

Yeah. Or no? Yeah. There's videos.

Joe: 17:56

And, like, what do they call that? Vignettes or whatever where

Jimmy: 17:58

Yeah. Like a a patient case, and then you had to read through it, and they got probably four or five questions for each one of those. But that's mostly, like, at the end of each section, I'm pretty sure.

Joe: 18:08

Okay. Is it still two fifty and fifty of those aren't graded?

Jimmy: 18:12

It's two twenty five and forty five aren't graded.

Joe: 18:15

Oh, you guys got a lot easier than we did. Yeah. Two fifty. That's So I know that obviously you're a new newer grad. Right?

Joe: 18:22

And I hate that term. I I think sometimes new grad is just meant, like, in a derogatory way. Mhmm. I look at newer grads as actually from a from a patient standpoint like it's actually a good thing because you just learn the latest and greatest way to do things. Yeah.

Joe: 18:39

And everything's still stuck in your head like that. Right? I don't know what's a better way to say that? New grad?

Jimmy: 18:47

Like just fresh, you

Joe: 18:48

know? Fresh, like what are some things that you know like certification wise or even like treatment techniques or even, you know, we can even go as far as, you know, patient population, I guess, if you will, that you're kinda planning on or looking forward to or something like, hey, in the next five years, this is really what I want. Yeah. If you've thought about it.

Jimmy: 19:07

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the big thing I wanna get into is golf, so like the TPI thing. I know Trenton has that as well in Brookfield. Yeah.

Jimmy: 19:17

But golf is just a crazy movement, you know, and so you got people that are in their sixties and seventies swinging the club a 100 times in a day. You need a lot of stability and strength to be able to maintain that without causing pain. So I'll probably get that in probably soonish. And then probably do some dry needling soon.

Joe: 19:41

And then yeah. What else was I

Jimmy: 19:45

I mean, I'm already learning from I mean, I talked to Erin this morning. She was showing me some manual things I've never used before. So probably getting some kind of additional manual certification as well. I think that really helps the whole hands on piece and everything with that. But yeah.

Jimmy: 20:00

In my opinion, it's impossible

Joe: 20:05

to treat someone without putting your hands on them.

Jimmy: 20:07

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I would agree.

Joe: 20:08

Well, I I take that back. In a lot of cases, you need to get your hands on people to just see what's going on and assess. Your hands tell you so much. It's not impossible not to do it. But I think to really do your job effectively for a lot of cases, unless your diagnostic skills are just spot on, got to get your hands on people.

Joe: 20:32

And that makes people feel comfortable too if you can just make them feel good. It's super important. There's There's a lot of good manual stuff out there though too. Yeah. And you're one of the you're kind of our guinea pig if you will.

Joe: 20:45

We put a lot of work into kind of the mentoring program now that we're trying to unveil. So it'll be interesting what you get out of that. I think all of us do things a little differently, which for you, think offers a lot of benefit just to see the same thing five different ways and then figure out what works best for you.

Jimmy: 20:58

Yeah. Mean, I've been shadowing a couple of people already. So it's kind of cool to see different

Joe: 21:04

Tell us a little bit just kinda about your, you know, background as far as clinical rotations and just kinda some of the experience you've had coming into now having your first full time job.

Jimmy: 21:17

Yeah. My first clinical rotation was a skilled nursing facility in Hudson, Wisconsin. So was way up there. That it was a nice first rotation. You learn a lot about

Joe: 21:28

Is that the four week one?

Jimmy: 21:29

That was six weeks, actually.

Joe: 21:31

Okay.

Jimmy: 21:31

So just a lot about safety. Yeah. And fall risk and just general strength and stuff like that. I think the the biggest thing was safety and guarding that I got out of that. Obviously, you're not really on your own at all as your first clinical rotation, but I think it was it was a really good experience overall.

Jimmy: 21:53

Second one I did was at ATI in West Dallas. That was a pretty good experience too.

Joe: 22:00

So the one by, like, Krispy Kreme on the corner?

Jimmy: 22:03

Yeah. It's on the corner. Yeah. I think there's, a Chinese restaurant. Yeah.

Jimmy: 22:06

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that was pretty good, actually.

Jimmy: 22:09

I I wasn't expecting it to I thought it'd be way busier. I would see two at a time occasionally, but it wasn't really that bad honestly. I had a good CI. She might have graduated around you. Carolyn Carolyn Secora, if you remember her.

Jimmy: 22:24

I don't know if I don't know if you. She's other dark hair? I think yeah. Kinda. I think she graduated in 2020.

Joe: 22:31

I'm pretty sure. She's either a year above or year below me.

Jimmy: 22:33

Gotcha.

Joe: 22:34

I feel like I can put the name to the face. Gotcha. But

Jimmy: 22:37

yeah. That was a that was a good first ortho one, I think. And then I had a really good rotation at Saint Luke's at the the hospital over there. I was on the Ortho Floor.

Joe: 22:48

Oh, nice. So a lot

Jimmy: 22:49

of post ops. I got to watch three surgeries, which was cool. Three knees, right, like, back to back to back.

Joe: 22:55

Surgeries are good to see, I

Jimmy: 22:57

think. Yeah. I didn't really understand, like I mean, it it's really cool to watch them. And the surgeon I was with, he was a really cool guy, and he explained everything he was doing the whole time.

Joe: 23:08

Oh, so he's

Jimmy: 23:09

while he was doing it.

Joe: 23:09

Wow. They're either really cool like that or they're not.

Jimmy: 23:12

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe: 23:12

Or I shouldn't say they're not cool, but, like, they sometimes just get so focused on their job that

Jimmy: 23:16

they Yeah. I mean, it was it was incredible just to be able to be in there, and he's he's cutting and talking at the same time.

Joe: 23:23

I always tell people, especially with knees, like, there's a reason it hurts. Yeah. Like, don't be don't be worried. There's a reason that it hurts. This is just a part of the game.

Jimmy: 23:31

Yeah. It's really cool how quick, like, to say that someone can walk, like, right after that almost is incredible.

Joe: 23:37

Well, I mean, knee replacement, I assume you're talking about too.

Jimmy: 23:40

Right?

Joe: 23:40

Yeah. You know, in the big picture, like, knee replacement's not that difficult. Yeah. Or I I should say complex. No.

Joe: 23:47

It's it's carpentry for the human body.

Jimmy: 23:49

Yeah. It's a good way to put it.

Joe: 23:50

Square off the femur, square off the tibia, put some new parts in, and then put you back

Jimmy: 23:54

together. Yeah.

Joe: 23:55

Yeah. It's just like woodworking, really. Oh, yeah.

Jimmy: 23:57

Right? That's what it looks like when it's

Joe: 23:59

It just happens to be with a bone and tissue and muscle. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. I think the like I did a rotation at Athletico ATI and I did small private practice and I did a hospital setting too. I do think that everyone should go to a fast paced environment in the outpatient realm.

Joe: 24:20

Yeah. ATI, Athletico, doctors, of just the the faster paced models because I think you have to be able to move at that pace.

Jimmy: 24:30

Yeah.

Joe: 24:30

Where I'd be curious what you think now coming back now to the forty five minute one on one. It's almost slower.

Jimmy: 24:35

Yeah.

Joe: 24:35

You can actually think.

Jimmy: 24:36

Yeah. Well, my my last rotation was at an Aurora Outpatient and they have forty five minute one on ones.

Joe: 24:42

Which one are you at Summit?

Jimmy: 24:43

It was it was in Burlington, Southern Lakes. That's what it was. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah.

Jimmy: 24:49

But that was forty five minute one on ones. So I kinda got my my flow and in my mind, you know, how long stuff takes. Yep. Got five minutes left to wrap up with exercises, whatever. Like, it was it was a really good last one to have, especially to prep for coming here.

Jimmy: 25:03

Mhmm. It's it's still different here, I would say, than there. I think, you know, being a private practice, like, I think the quality is still better from what I've seen. It seems like I don't know. It seems like less people are, like, on their computers and stuff here, feel like, which is cool to see.

Joe: 25:22

I'm gung ho on this now. Yeah. And I really feel this way.

Jimmy: 25:27

Yeah.

Joe: 25:29

In my humble opinion, you cannot give good care and document at the same time. Yeah. I don't now in the health care world, I completely understand why you have to document in front of patients. I totally understand that. Yeah.

Joe: 25:44

But if you're my patient, you're not paying me to watch me type on my computer. Right. You're paying me to give you a solution to help you get out of pain.

Jimmy: 25:55

Yeah.

Joe: 25:55

Yeah. I think I devote need all that time to you. Yeah. I think you have to practice with it to make sure that you don't forget anything. Like, I'm just so trained to Yeah.

Joe: 26:07

Go in my head on what's going on.

Jimmy: 26:09

Yeah.

Joe: 26:10

Now a complex case and an eval, I'll bring my computer Yeah. And document just to make sure there's nothing that I miss. But for the most part, I don't Yeah.

Jimmy: 26:19

Document. Kinda what I'm leaning towards right now. Like, I I use my computer mostly to just make sure I don't forget, like, the exercises I was planning on doing, but I don't really type on it. I mean No.

Joe: 26:29

I I get I get now I'm the complete opposite. Like, don't look at me. I I'm a different extreme compared to other people, and not that, you know, it's wrong to type or anything. I just don't think you can do both at Yeah.

Jimmy: 26:42

Yeah. It's definitely more difficult to give quality care, you know. And I think something to think about, and this is just like conversation point. When you do an eval,

Joe: 26:53

you have three to five seconds to make an impression.

Jimmy: 26:56

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe: 26:57

That impression should be you looking at them, not confirming date of birth, all this stuff that happens in health care. I think we get accustomed to it just because that's just what we expect in health care. But in private practice here at Freedom, something that I really value is the amount of people that I've seen because their spouse or their child or their grandparent or their friend had a good experience with someone here, like, that holds a lot of weight. Like, you have to hold that standard, I think.

Jimmy: 27:26

Yeah.

Joe: 27:27

That's how we that's how we have this business.

Jimmy: 27:29

Yeah.

Joe: 27:29

That's what private practice is.

Jimmy: 27:31

Yeah.

Joe: 27:31

All these other places, like, yeah, you got referrals come from coming from down the

Jimmy: 27:35

Yeah.

Joe: 27:36

Down the hall. That's not bad or good. It's just how it is.

Jimmy: 27:38

Yeah.

Joe: 27:38

Not saying those therapists are bad or anything, but you do have a lot more room for air at bigger companies.

Jimmy: 27:43

Yeah. You're gonna get referrals no matter what.

Joe: 27:45

Yeah. And, you know, we have more pressure on us to to make a profit. Yeah. Without making a profit, we don't keep the doors open. That's that's the reality of business.

Joe: 27:57

Where, like, hospital setting, if the your p t if your p t department, is low on visits for a month

Jimmy: 28:02

Yeah.

Joe: 28:02

While the surgery center is gonna even that number out. When you really look at the big picture, like, we don't have that luxury.

Jimmy: 28:07

Yeah. Exactly.

Joe: 28:11

Hopefully, no one gets upset by any of that stuff. It's just it's nothing controversial. It's just just, an opinion. I heard you say yesterday, I really haven't asked you about it. You live in Brookfield now.

Joe: 28:22

Right?

Jimmy: 28:22

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe: 28:22

Which part of Brookfield?

Jimmy: 28:24

It's it's right right at the intersection by the the corners.

Joe: 28:29

The Oh, in the apartments right there?

Jimmy: 28:31

Yeah. The ones across the street.

Joe: 28:32

The new ones that they just built? Yeah. Yeah. Are those all, like, furnished and open? I just drove by the other day.

Joe: 28:37

I haven't been in that area

Jimmy: 28:38

in while. Some are. There's still I think half of one of the buildings is kinda halfway done.

Joe: 28:44

Okay.

Jimmy: 28:44

And then they're building another one northern north on Barker as well, but they just keep going up.

Joe: 28:49

Yeah. It's crazy in that area. It's unbelievable. My wife and I just went to Sam's Club last weekend.

Jimmy: 28:53

Yeah.

Joe: 28:54

And I don't go by there very often. We live in New Berlin. But Yeah. I think it used to be like Bullwinkle's when I was in college, like a bar and hotel, I think even.

Jimmy: 29:03

That's what I heard. Yeah.

Joe: 29:04

It's all gone. Yeah. There's a Shake Shack across the street.

Jimmy: 29:09

Yeah. There's a new hotel right there.

Joe: 29:11

That's nuts. It's crazy how much money they're putting into that area. Yeah. With a lot more to go, I believe. Right?

Jimmy: 29:15

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I think they're kinda biting off more than they can chew right now because they're like I think they built one building. They filled it up really fast. Yeah.

Jimmy: 29:24

And then they keep building more and they're it looks like they're having a hard time filling them now.

Joe: 29:27

Is the what are they building right off the highway? Like, if you're well, you probably take this exit. As you're going west, you get off on Barker. Yeah. Like the light to go right, like they're building something right there.

Joe: 29:43

Oh. Did they take down the like the Mexican restaurant?

Jimmy: 29:46

No. No. I think that's all there. I think the corners is building, like, their own apartment complex.

Joe: 29:50

Oh, is that what they're doing?

Jimmy: 29:51

I think so. It's gonna be huge

Joe: 29:53

or something. Because I saw, like, whatever, scan this QR code and you can figure out their building, I just didn't scan

Jimmy: 29:57

it. Yeah. I think it's it's some massive project that they're doing.

Joe: 30:00

And you're not married yet. Right? No. Do you have a girlfriend or anything?

Jimmy: 30:03

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe: 30:03

Do you guys live together? Mhmm. Yeah. Do you planning on getting engaged anytime soon?

Jimmy: 30:07

Yeah. Probably. Probably soon.

Joe: 30:09

Hold off. Hold off as long as you can. And what is what does she do?

Jimmy: 30:13

She's in nursing school right now at the technical

Joe: 30:16

Oh, nice. That's what my wife does.

Jimmy: 30:18

Oh,

Joe: 30:18

yeah. Welcome to health care.

Jimmy: 30:19

Yeah. Exactly.

Joe: 30:20

Is she working right now too?

Jimmy: 30:22

Yeah. She's got she's got two jobs, actually. She works like a PRN for the SICU at Freidert and the day surgery at Waukesha Memorial. So she kinda like bounces between them. Nice.

Jimmy: 30:33

But she really likes it. She's just kinda trying to get as much experience in different settings as she can. Yeah. But, yeah, she's gonna be really good at that stuff.

Joe: 30:42

So I always assume that, you know, outside of work and now you you just started, so maybe you're still in this this part of your PT career where you just wanna learn PT, PT, PT. Yeah. I don't. When I'm done with work, unless I need something continuing ed or something, I do like to separate my work and my personal life.

Jimmy: 31:03

Yeah.

Joe: 31:03

Outside of work, what are what are things you like to do? Hobbies?

Jimmy: 31:06

Yeah.

Joe: 31:07

Things you like to do?

Jimmy: 31:08

I'm actually I'm on a water ski show team.

Joe: 31:10

I saw that in Muskego. Muskego. Yeah. And Lake Muskego or Muskego Lake? Little Muskego.

Joe: 31:16

Is that the one that oh god. What restaurant is that right on the lake? Is it

Jimmy: 31:22

I forgot what it's called too. Bass Bay? Yeah. Bass Bay is on that lake, I think.

Joe: 31:26

Yeah. Yeah. We go there a lot. We like that place.

Jimmy: 31:29

Yeah. That's what I I heard it's good. I've never been there before, though.

Joe: 31:32

Is that where the water ski shutters are?

Jimmy: 31:34

No. That's at Idle Isle and just there's a boat ramp over there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jimmy: 31:39

Yeah. But I joined the team last summer.

Joe: 31:43

Okay.

Jimmy: 31:44

So it's been pretty cool. Nice. Been doing that stuff for

Joe: 31:46

You golf a little bit too? Yeah. Where do like to play?

Jimmy: 31:50

I I haven't really played much around here actually, just because, you know, PT school and expenses and whatnot. But there's actually a simulator in our apartment that I've been playing.

Joe: 32:00

You have a simulator in your apartment?

Jimmy: 32:01

Crazy. Is it free? It's, like, included with the amenities and stuff. What? Yeah.

Jimmy: 32:06

So, like, you just have to book it, and then you go play. Like like, I think, yeah. Would have been yesterday. One of my buddies was like, hey. Like, can we play on the simulator?

Jimmy: 32:15

I was like, yeah. 9AM. Let's go, like, play Pebble Beach. Wow.

Joe: 32:20

That's that's sick, actually.

Jimmy: 32:21

It's crazy.

Joe: 32:22

Is it is it, like, work? Like, a good simulator? Or is

Jimmy: 32:26

it It's it's insane. It's, like, stupid accurate.

Joe: 32:30

Is it, like, super booked too?

Jimmy: 32:33

Or It's easy. It's not bad. During the week, especially, it's not bad.

Joe: 32:37

Weekends, good luck.

Jimmy: 32:38

Weekends, I mean, if you book it, I don't know, a couple days in advance, you'll definitely get in. Like, it's not a it's not a problem play. Wow.

Joe: 32:45

That's awesome.

Jimmy: 32:46

Yeah. It's pretty cool.

Joe: 32:47

What's name of your apartment complex? Do they have any rooms open?

Jimmy: 32:49

Poplar Creek. Yeah. They got a bunch open, man.

Joe: 32:53

A bunch. Besides golf, water ski, anything else?

Jimmy: 32:58

I still play basketball here and there. Me and some of my buddies wanna do a league this this winter, hopefully. Commen's league or something. Yeah. But, yeah, right now, that's pretty much it.

Joe: 33:08

That's awesome, man. Yeah. Well, I can tell you we're happy to have you. We hope you enjoy, you know, the first couple weeks as you get adjusted, acclimated to having a real job too.

Jimmy: 33:18

Yeah.

Joe: 33:18

Hopefully that paycheck feels nice when it hits your Anything else you wanna add in just for, you know, patients to, you know, kinda know about you or something? You know, if someone's interested in seeing you that would help before they come see you?

Jimmy: 33:32

Yeah. I mean, I'm interested in treating most things. I'd say, like, recreationally active people is kinda my bread and butter. Yeah. Love to get people back to playing golf, tennis, basketball, running, you know, whatever they wanna do.

Jimmy: 33:47

I think I'm pretty good at getting people back to, like, those activities they wanna keep doing. So yeah.

Joe: 33:55

If anybody, you know, has any pain going on or is interested in coming in to see Freedom, Jimmy's taking new patients right now and definitely we'd love to have the opportunity to help. If anybody else that is listening has any other issues or any problems that you would like a physical therapist to take a look at, remember we have locations here in Fox Pointe, Brookfield, Grafton, and Mogwonago. Jimmy, thank you. Welcome to Freedom.

Jimmy: 34:24

Thank you. Appreciate it.

Joe: 34:25

Thanks for listening, everybody. We'll see everybody in next week's episode.